Koch hit piece

"mkbruin, Atlas VP" (mkbruin) 01/18/2016 at 16:02 • Filed to: None

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That gawker piece about the industrial dealings and political views of prominent Americans of European governmental social experiments in the 1930's is pathetic. The Koch’s are evil nazis because they built an oil refinery in 1930's Germany that was bombed during WWII? The shocking part is that most on the left today either blatantly ignore or are truly ignorant of the vast and overwhelming praise democrats hoisted on the national socialist movements from both Hitler and Mussolini. Ignorance is quite hateful these days.

Birddog > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:06

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I read about two comments on that and had to stop. I could feel my brain trying to gnaw it’s way out of my skull.

d15b > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:12

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Never underestimate the strength of a dollar versus political convictions.

themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:14

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Well if that’s your barometer for hating a company is “They did business with Germany in WWII” then I have some very bad news for many people on this website.........

I think it’s a bit of a moot point, personally. Two generations ago or more separates that event from today. I don’t want to be held responsible for my great-grandparents mistakes. I extend that to others as well. THe Koch brothers are doing bad things TODAY. So.....maybe TODAY we should be focusing on those? I don’t get why what happened 80 years ago is relevant outside of smear.

The Ghost of Oppo > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:16

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I wonder how many Gawker employees wear articles of clothing made by Hugo Boss

Richtofen, Baron von Pickup > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:16

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Democrats aren’t against the rich. Democrats are against the rich who aren’t left-leaning.

For the record, I’m not a fan of oligarchy regardless of leanings.

Berang > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:16

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Is it not factual?

For Sweden > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:17

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I don’t have strong feelings towards them, but the boogieman mantle laid on the Koch name is silly.

I don’t remember anyone named Koch interning Japanese, for example.

And wait until they learn what BMW did!

crowmolly > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:17

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Are they heckling Koch right now? If so, they suck and I hate them.

Joking aside, you can’t cherry-pick history during that time period. Are we going after IBM, Ford, Siemens, Krups, and all them too? Can we drag the Japanese in? And talk about how we have no problem driving vehicles made by companies that killed so many Americans?

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > themanwithsauce - has as many vehicles as job titles 01/18/2016 at 16:25

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right on.

davesaddiction @ opposite-lock.com > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:33

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Somehow related: the oldest Koch brother, not involved in the business, has the following title.

Frederick R. Koch (born 1933), collector

Hi, I’m Fred. I’m rich as shit and spend all my time acquiring things.

wiffleballtony > crowmolly 01/18/2016 at 16:34

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crowmolly > wiffleballtony 01/18/2016 at 16:35

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I figured you would. And probably Cammed CTS-V.

duurtlang > Berang 01/18/2016 at 16:46

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Not that relevant. You can’t blame someone for what an ancestor did. Surely there are loads of actions performed by these men themselves that can be justly criticized.

BorkBorkBjork > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 16:46

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It’s going to get worse as the year progresses, and there is not much that can be done to avoid it.

Berang > duurtlang 01/18/2016 at 17:17

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I don’t agree with using historical facts to cultivate an appeal to emotion, but on the other hand, I don’t necessarily agree with your opinion here. If one’s grandfather made a fortune off selling stuff to nazis, and then passed that fortune on to you, you can’t exactly say it has nothing to do with you, even if you had no way of stopping it from happening. Granted in 1934 the insidious nature of the plant wouldn’t have seemed as nefarious as it would have four or five years later.

As I’m well aware lots of people did business with the nazis, sometimes sympathetic, and sometimes callously opportunistic or willfully ignorant.

nermal > The Ghost of Oppo 01/18/2016 at 17:53

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Probably none.

People wearing Hugo Boss:

Gawker employees:

nermal > crowmolly 01/18/2016 at 18:01

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No, we can’t just acknowledge that that things have moved forward since 1945. On the automotive front, there are multiple companies producing vehicles for sale in the US that were not on our side 70 years ago.

Somebody needed to hit their clicks / story quota and the Koch Sr / German Oil Refinery connection is the best they could come up with on short notice. That is all.

The Ghost of Oppo > nermal 01/18/2016 at 18:16

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That comparison is as one sided as the original Koch piece

nermal > The Ghost of Oppo 01/18/2016 at 19:18

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The images have the following in common:

1) People wearing clothes

2) City skylines

3) Easily found on Google Images

That’s wayyyyy more neutral than the original piece.

CCC (formerly CyclistCarCoexist) > mkbruin, Atlas VP 01/18/2016 at 21:42

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I have to admit, I believe that a lot of industry has done their fair share with the Nazis. GM built cars for them, we all enjoy Fanta (the drink made for Nazis by Coca Cola), and many more can attest to Nazi connections they’d rather not make public. The gist of this piece was that the Kochs are an easy target, like Donald Trump. You can throw whatever you want and it doesn’t change a thing.

I always recall Mallory Archer (from archer) talked to Archer about Nazis, and that a lot of postwar development people came from Nazi Germany. Even though it’s a fictional show, that idea she talks about is factual. The truth is very painful.